Session Start: Wed Jun 01 14:32:40 2011 Session Ident: mavo [14:32] Session Ident: mavo (EFNet, Giltweasl) (webchat@h96-60-118-110.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net) [14:32] Are you up to speed on halo vs. mavo? 01[14:32] ok 01[14:32] I'm here. 01[14:32] yeah [14:33] So, we're at an impasse. 01[14:33] aside from the union shit [14:33] halo will not return my ops. 01[14:33] the argument itself isn't relevant. [14:33] Dude ... I've been here since 1994. [14:33] I have NEVER been de-op'd. 01[14:34] ok [14:34] Is this fair? 01[14:34] you are aware that people have been de-opped though? [14:35] ops? 01[14:35] it's not without precedent. [14:35] Well, no. [14:35] Arken? 01[14:35] he's one. [14:35] Look, I was right about the union shit and he started name-calling me first. 01[14:35] other people have voluntarily withdrawn. [14:35] He's acting like a spoiled baby. 01[14:35] I saw the buffer 01[14:35] it was a dumb argument. 01[14:36] on both sides. 01[14:36] there's tons of more interesting shit you guys could have it out over. [14:36] He made an assertion, that 'striking' is the same as 'quitting' on a job. [14:36] As a former union employee of 15 years, I begged to differ. [14:36] And then he got hostile. 01[14:37] you were both a bit hot-headed. [14:37] Mine was a reaction from his. [14:37] He got hostile first. [14:37] So, trape gets hot-headed with frotz. [14:38] Should they kick/ban/de-op one another? [14:38] No. [14:38] They call each other stupid, stupid fucker, etc. [14:38] But 10 minutes later they're fine. [14:39] I admit I was upset, but I believe I had good reasons to be upset. 01[14:39] ok [14:39] Sure, my anger got the best of me. 01[14:39] listen. 01[14:39] it comes down to this. 01[14:40] have you been discussing some medication adjustment issues? [14:40] But do I deserve to have my ops removed? Does this particular event mean I'm no longer an effective op here? [14:40] Er... what? 01[14:40] you regaining ops is on the table. [14:40] Well, I should hope so. 01[14:40] frotz has been saying you're having some medication adjustment issues. 01[14:40] I don't know. [14:40] That's untrue. 01[14:41] but you've been somewhat erratic or irritable for a year or so now. [14:41] In what way? 01[14:41] quick to get agitated and ban. [14:41] 90% of them probably deserved it. 01[14:41] we had that out last fall with the qto/no-name faction bullshit. [14:41] :) [14:42] no-name has huge issues. 01[14:42] probably, but there's also been a tradition of tolerance extended for most of these types of issues. [14:42] I ban him whenever he says something racist or extremely vulgar. [14:42] trapezoid agrees with me about no-name. [14:42] Generally, I don't have a problem with qto. [14:43] Most everyone in the channel agrees with me what I did to hraban and lemur. [14:43] Look... [14:43] I'm just saying I don't think I deserve to be de-op'd. [14:44] Was I hot-headed? Sure. [14:44] Surely we, as ops, can settle issues without removing ops from one another. [14:44] It serves no purpose. [14:45] Discourse is still very valid and the only rational way to enact change for the better. 01[14:46] my response to halo when he informed me of what happened, "unfortunately, mavo has been courting some response like this for a while." [14:46] Evidence? [14:46] I rarely ever talk to halo. 01[14:46] ok, but we do watch the channel. even when we're not saying anything. [14:47] Who's channel is it? [14:47] I have senority. [14:47] :) [14:47] (seniority) [14:48] Beige trusted me. [14:48] He and I are Facebook friends. [14:48] trapezoid trusts me. [14:48] So does frotz. [14:48] And so does funkmob and melmoth. 01[14:48] I trust you, for the most part. I think you've gotten a little out of hand though. [14:48] Banning trolls? [14:49] pattern? [14:49] Am I so different from trapezoid? He bans a lot, too. 01[14:49] trapeoid is on the spot too. [14:49] I don't live to IRC. http://birddigiscoper.blogspot.com/ 01[14:49] +z [14:50] You can see how productive I've been this spring on my blog. [14:50] I spent waaay more time birding, bird photography, leading field trips, etc. than being on IRC. [14:50] Does trapezoid know that? 01[14:51] yes [14:51] [14:05] no you didn't, and halo was wrong, everyone agrees [14:52] [14:09] if this becomes a mess, to be honest i might just fuck irc altogether [14:52] If trapezoid leaves, I'll leave. 01[14:53] I want to talk to trap and frotz [14:54] About? 01[14:54] haven't seen them on while I've been active. [14:55] Look ... [14:55] How many bird experts do we have on #atheism? 01[14:55] 5 or 6 last count. [14:55] haha [14:55] I went through a really difficult time 2 years ago. [14:55] I didn't come out the same, really. 01[14:55] we are burdoned by a surplus of experts on any subject. [14:56] I see a psychiatrist every 3 months. [14:56] I am taking psychotropic medication. 01[14:56] you and 60% of developed nations. [14:57] Generally, I'm a very reasonable person and get along very well with people socially in r/l. [14:57] Yeah, but my ex asked for a divorce on my birthday. [14:57] That'll put the zapper on your head, trust me. [14:58] I'm a field trip leader for Madison Audubon. 01[14:58] yeah, sounds like it would be planned for maximum effect. [14:58] I give generously to several charities. [14:58] I even helped some girlscounts earn their "all about birds" merit badges this spring. [14:59] I am a nice guy. [14:59] Just ... not so much on IRC. [14:59] :) [14:59] Except to those I consider my friends. [14:59] Like mytoz, trapezoid, frotz, and a few others. [14:59] I don't like pattern. [14:59] I don't care for qto, hideki, and some of the other regular users. [15:00] I actually have no opinion of halo, other than he talks about food a lot. [15:00] I don't have any clue to what kind of person he is. [15:04] I'll give you all until midnight tonight to reinstate me as an op. If it isn't back, I'm leaving the channel forever. And I'll convince trapezoid to abandon it as well. [15:04] He's *this* close. [15:04] Plus, we have #obama. [15:05] Soon, it will be just you and halo and a few plebeians. [15:05] Halo was wrong. [15:05] He was not justified. 01[15:05] well [15:06] He was wrong about the issue, and he reacted like a stupid child. 01[15:06] he had reasons. [15:06] (not that I was any better) 01[15:06] the argument itself was silly. [15:06] Yeah, well I had reasons, too. [15:06] No it wasn't. 01[15:06] it was once it devolved to "yes it is" "no it isnt" [15:06] He's a grown man. He should know what he's saying when he says things like a labor strike is the same thing as quitting a job. [15:06] Yeah, and he started that. [15:06] It was halo, not me. [15:06] Stop defending him. [15:07] I swear .. I've never seen a bunch of ops so afraid of one guy. [15:07] Just because he has control. [15:08] It's as if we're ignoring everything halo did to instigate and escalate it into the heated argument and all that remains is my remarks. [15:08] Is he special? He gets a free pass on conduct? [15:09] See ... this is bullshit. [15:09] It isn't too late for things to go back to the way they were, and if I'm reinstated, I promise I will do better on policing the channel in terms of excessive bans and kicks. [15:10] But by midnight tonight or forget it. 01[15:10] I think you're missing the point about the issue we had over the last year. [15:10] I won't e back. [15:10] be [15:10] What issue? 01[15:10] that was a significant disruption of the channel. 01[15:10] Halo didn't cause it. 01[15:10] you were a principle. [15:10] Of ...? [15:10] Excessive banning? 01[15:10] if you can't remember or factor it into this situation, it might be a good thing if you did withdraw for a while. 01[15:10] yes 01[15:10] that's part of it. [15:11] You know what's funny ... I think it was lemur who accused me of that, saying he was banned dozens of times. I went back into the logs and found out it had only been twice. [15:11] Screw it. [15:11] I'm not coming back. [15:11] Fickle pussies. Session Close: Wed Jun 01 15:21:13 2011